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Mike Joyce on Solo.com?
Mike Joyce on Solo.com?
Saint Johnny on Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:32 pm
I am not sure whether I should belive this was actually Joyce, but here is the back-and-forth:
Just for the record, I've never, EVER received all Smiths royalties from record sales in the U.K. or worldwide for that matter. Maybe some of the people who visit this site could ask Morrissey through their contacts just WHO receives ALL Smiths royalties now...Mmm?
Mike Joyce
In response to the previous story "Mike Joyce on Smiths royalties," former Moz manager Merck Mercuriadis writes:
To everyone on Solo.
Assuming this post is genuinely from Joyce he should be ashamed of himself as it is dishonest and clearly meant to inflame you against Morrissey.
As most of you will know Morrissey and I have parted company so I am not speaking on his behalf nor is he aware that I am posting this. My only agenda is to let you know the truth about Joyce's claim regarding Smiths' royalties. I should also qualify this by saying that I have nothing personal against Mike Joyce but I am in the business of protecting artists and it is offensive to me, not to mention, immoral that Mike Joyce should be getting paid for Morrissey's share of Meat Is Murder, The Queen Is Dead et al. It is the equivalent of the easel getting paid for Van Gogh's paintings ie it is ridiculous and no one with a conscience could accept the cheques regardless of what a court may say. Not if you really loved and respected the music.
The fact is Mike Joyce applies to the court every 6 months and on the basis of his historic judgement - which arguably he has now been paid many times over! - he asks the court to award him Morrissey's Smiths' royalties. As a result of the judgement the court orders Warner UK to pay 100% of Morrissey's Smiths' royalties to Joyce. For Joyce to say that he has not received Morrissey's Smiths' record royalties from the UK - and everywhere in the world for that matter - is as far from the truth as you can possibly get but I am sure he will hide behind his carefully chosen ambiguous words.
Mike Joyce takes great pleasure in being a thorn in Morrissey's side - it is perhaps his only purpose - and one of the downsides of my not working with Morrissey, in the future, will be not having the pleasure of being the person who eventually takes him out. It will happen and if you are a genuine Smiths or Moz fan and you want a target for the irritation you sometimes feel there is no one worthier.
Best wishes,
Merck
In response to the previous statement from Merck Mercuradaius, Mike Joyce writes:
I stand by exactly what I said in the original post. I wanted to clear up the confusion that I receive ALL Smiths royalties from Warners. That is untrue.
The only reason I felt obliged to send you a posting in the first place was due to an article in the forums regarding how much of the Smiths income I receive from Warner Bros. I wanted to clarify the situation that I do not receive ALL royalties from Warners music, that is all. Merck is correct. I did receive, in the past, Morrissey's share of royalties from Warners, but if Morrissey had paid me the money that was owed to me in the first place, the same way that Johnny has done, then I would not have had to be forced to go down the route I had taken. In retrospect, I think this probably wasn't the place to vent my frusration regarding the matter, but it was brought to my attention that people were under the impression that I receive 100% of all Smiths royalties. That is untrue. It was posted on your site, therefore I felt obliged to make the people who come here aware of the facts.
..."Mike Joyce takes great pleasure in being a thorn in Morrissey's side - it is perhaps his only purpose."
How more offensive and untrue could this sentence possibly be. This is the situation. When I eventually receive the money that's owed to me, then the "thorn" will be removed immediately.
Just for the record, I've never, EVER received all Smiths royalties from record sales in the U.K. or worldwide for that matter. Maybe some of the people who visit this site could ask Morrissey through their contacts just WHO receives ALL Smiths royalties now...Mmm?
Mike Joyce
In response to the previous story "Mike Joyce on Smiths royalties," former Moz manager Merck Mercuriadis writes:
To everyone on Solo.
Assuming this post is genuinely from Joyce he should be ashamed of himself as it is dishonest and clearly meant to inflame you against Morrissey.
As most of you will know Morrissey and I have parted company so I am not speaking on his behalf nor is he aware that I am posting this. My only agenda is to let you know the truth about Joyce's claim regarding Smiths' royalties. I should also qualify this by saying that I have nothing personal against Mike Joyce but I am in the business of protecting artists and it is offensive to me, not to mention, immoral that Mike Joyce should be getting paid for Morrissey's share of Meat Is Murder, The Queen Is Dead et al. It is the equivalent of the easel getting paid for Van Gogh's paintings ie it is ridiculous and no one with a conscience could accept the cheques regardless of what a court may say. Not if you really loved and respected the music.
The fact is Mike Joyce applies to the court every 6 months and on the basis of his historic judgement - which arguably he has now been paid many times over! - he asks the court to award him Morrissey's Smiths' royalties. As a result of the judgement the court orders Warner UK to pay 100% of Morrissey's Smiths' royalties to Joyce. For Joyce to say that he has not received Morrissey's Smiths' record royalties from the UK - and everywhere in the world for that matter - is as far from the truth as you can possibly get but I am sure he will hide behind his carefully chosen ambiguous words.
Mike Joyce takes great pleasure in being a thorn in Morrissey's side - it is perhaps his only purpose - and one of the downsides of my not working with Morrissey, in the future, will be not having the pleasure of being the person who eventually takes him out. It will happen and if you are a genuine Smiths or Moz fan and you want a target for the irritation you sometimes feel there is no one worthier.
Best wishes,
Merck
In response to the previous statement from Merck Mercuradaius, Mike Joyce writes:
I stand by exactly what I said in the original post. I wanted to clear up the confusion that I receive ALL Smiths royalties from Warners. That is untrue.
The only reason I felt obliged to send you a posting in the first place was due to an article in the forums regarding how much of the Smiths income I receive from Warner Bros. I wanted to clarify the situation that I do not receive ALL royalties from Warners music, that is all. Merck is correct. I did receive, in the past, Morrissey's share of royalties from Warners, but if Morrissey had paid me the money that was owed to me in the first place, the same way that Johnny has done, then I would not have had to be forced to go down the route I had taken. In retrospect, I think this probably wasn't the place to vent my frusration regarding the matter, but it was brought to my attention that people were under the impression that I receive 100% of all Smiths royalties. That is untrue. It was posted on your site, therefore I felt obliged to make the people who come here aware of the facts.
..."Mike Joyce takes great pleasure in being a thorn in Morrissey's side - it is perhaps his only purpose."
How more offensive and untrue could this sentence possibly be. This is the situation. When I eventually receive the money that's owed to me, then the "thorn" will be removed immediately.
Last edited by Saint Johnny on Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:34 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Re: Mike Joyce on Solo.com?
Saint Johnny on Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:32 pm
It's too bad that this has to go on, out in the open, on a site like Solo.com.
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